What FPS can this Spec achieve?

[Alex S]

This has been invaluable advice from everyone, I appreciate it a lot guys. I will go down the route of lower quality to achieve FPS then at 1080p.

My next question would be does the i9 series CPUs worth disregarding the mutlithread purpose of my rig (in the workstation part of what I need). I have researched that the AMD ryzen 3 series gives me near enough the same single thread for gaming but also gives me the way better multithread functionality? Would it be be better to go AMD here?

 

[BlessedSquirrel]

This has been invaluable advice from everyone, I appreciate it a lot guys. I will go down the route of lower quality to achieve FPS then at 1080p.

My next question would be does the i9 series CPUs worth disregarding the mutlithread purpose of my rig (in the workstation part of what I need). I have researched that the AMD ryzen 3 series gives me near enough the same single thread for gaming but also gives me the way better multithread functionality? Would it be be better to go AMD here?

You will miss out on a tiny percentage of FPS, but the GPU is the main concern there really.

for what you miss out on on marginal FPS, the gains for multithreaded for streaming would be night and day.

personally, I wouldn’t hesitate to go with AMD. You also gain PCIe 4 which means faster SSD performance and better future proofing as GPU’s move to PCIe 4.

 

[Scott]

This has been invaluable advice from everyone, I appreciate it a lot guys. I will go down the route of lower quality to achieve FPS then at 1080p.

My next question would be does the i9 series CPUs worth disregarding the mutlithread purpose of my rig (in the workstation part of what I need). I have researched that the AMD ryzen 3 series gives me near enough the same single thread for gaming but also gives me the way better multithread functionality? Would it be be better to go AMD here?

This is why I suggested you may be at cross purposes. To be CPU bound you will be at 1080p and extreme FPS. This is where the 9900k WILL make a difference IMO. The lower the resolution the more FPS you will gain with the 9900k.

There is absolutely no other reason to go for the 9900k other than either extreme FPS or extreme simulation. If you want the absolute best FPS performance it's the 9900k. If there's an allowance of some compromise then the AMD system is a no-brainer.

It's VERY rare that we ever recommend an Intel platform on here now. The only reason to consider it is extreme scenarios...... and that's coming from a guy who has one (Zen2 wasn't out when I got mine haha).

Zen 3 is unknown at the moment but if you compromised a tiny bit with the FPS in order to go for the more modern system, you'll be at a place where you can drop a Zen3 chip in your system and potentially have the FPS gap at zero or maybe even surpassed. It's unknown at the moment but it's the reason that Intel very rarely makes any sense.

 

[Alex S]

Thank you guys, this has been great information from everyone. I will use Scotts build with a few minor tweaks.

Again, thank you all! I will be recommending this sites forum for sure for information on subjects like this to my circle.

Best,
Alex

 

[Alex S]

Case
FRACTAL MESHIFY S2 BLACKOUT TEMPERED GLASS
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 9 3950X 16 Core CPU (3.5GHz-4.7GHz/73MB CACHE/AM4)
Motherboard
ASUS® CROSSHAIR VIII HERO (DDR4, PCIe 4.0, CrossFireX/SLI) - RGB Ready!
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE RGB PRO DDR4 3200MHz (4 x 8GB)
Graphics Card
11GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 2080 Ti - HDMI, 3x DP GeForce - RTX VR Ready!
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NOT REQUIRED
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2TB SEAGATE FIRECUDA 520 GEN 4 PCIe NVMe (up to 5000MB/R, 4400MB/W)
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500GB SAMSUNG 970 EVO PLUS M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 3500MB/R, 3200MB/W)
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USB 3.0 EXTERNAL SD/MICRO SD CARD READER
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CORSAIR 750W RMx SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
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1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
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Corsair H115i RGB PLATINUM Hydro Series High Performance CPU Cooler
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ARCTIC MX-4 EXTREME THERMAL CONDUCTIVITY COMPOUND
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2x 50cm RGB LED Strip
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Razer® Ornata Chroma Gaming Keyboard
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Razer® Lancehead Tournament Edition Gaming Mouse
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Razer Gigantus Gaming Surface
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HP ENVY 5030 WIRELESS ALL-IN-ONE PRINTER
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Price: £3,727.00 including VAT and Delivery

Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am4-gen3-pc/DEuXqyb8hR/
So this is the rig i have constructed based on all your suggestions.

I took the decision to sacrifice a small amount of fps for multithread purpose side of the rig. Looking at quite a few videos and tests, Spyder was right and the slight FPS drop isn't enough for me to sacrifice the multithread purpose of the ryzen.

The ram is for futureproofing and RGB.
got the 2080 Ti to make up slightly for the 3950x cpu
Do I need the thermal paste as I have CPU cooling?
I got the x3 corsair fans for future-proofing as I will most likely adding to the rig with the new annoucements for GPUS soon.
+ printer for workstations side of things.

What do you guys think of this build now? Planning to go ahead and get this as soon as people give me the thumbs up and I haven't done anything stupid like before.

Best,
Alex

Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am4-gen3-pc/DEuXqyb8hR/

 

[BlessedSquirrel]

You don't need the thermal paste as the cooler comes with it's own high performance stuff.

You will want the RAM

The motherboard is needless, no benefit over the Strix

You don't need the extra fans, they will actually reduce cooling performance by creating negative airflow. You've got the 3 included case fans and 3 on the cooler which is ample already.

The SSD setup is strange? What are your intentions for them?

 

[Alex S]

You don't need the thermal paste as the cooler comes with it's own high performance stuff.

You will want the RAM

The motherboard is needless, no benefit over the Strix

You don't need the extra fans, they will actually reduce cooling performance by creating negative airflow. You've got the 3 included case fans and 3 on the cooler which is ample already.

The SSD setup is strange? What are your intentions for them?

- Removed thermal paste.

- Kept RAM

- The fans I will remove since I don't want to spend money for negative impact on any aspect of the build. The current fans in the case are RGB though and have a controller right? If not can I make that happen? Gone RGB across the rig and want to maintain it for aesthetics as it might be on stream.

- The motherboard when I did my research everyone was saying get the crossfire over the strix for the future. I am gong with your advice though as its been near spot on when I have researched it apart from this. What I am not understanding is how no benefit from this upgraded motherboard - why is it on market then and more expensive? It's more curiosity on why if you could shed some light?

- I wanted an extreme performance SSD as ill put 2 OS (OS Catalina + Windows 10) systems on the 2TB partioned drive. So 1TB for each system and I would also install my games here for quicker load.

The 2nd M2 SSD is more for the drone footage I want to store and not store on the SSD with OS. If this is all not making sense though then let me know!

Best,
Alex

 

[Alex S]

This is why I suggested you may be at cross purposes. To be CPU bound you will be at 1080p and extreme FPS. This is where the 9900k WILL make a difference IMO. The lower the resolution the more FPS you will gain with the 9900k.

There is absolutely no other reason to go for the 9900k other than either extreme FPS or extreme simulation. If you want the absolute best FPS performance it's the 9900k. If there's an allowance of some compromise then the AMD system is a no-brainer.

It's VERY rare that we ever recommend an Intel platform on here now. The only reason to consider it is extreme scenarios...... and that's coming from a guy who has one (Zen2 wasn't out when I got mine haha).

Zen 3 is unknown at the moment but if you compromised a tiny bit with the FPS in order to go for the more modern system, you'll be at a place where you can drop a Zen3 chip in your system and potentially have the FPS gap at zero or maybe even surpassed. It's unknown at the moment but it's the reason that Intel very rarely makes any sense.

Hi Scott,

Thank you for the advice. I have decided to go with the Ryzen now I have educated myself on the multi and single thread workings of a CPU. The increase in FPS isn't worth the decrease in mutlithread for me when I weight it all up and now I am understanding why you guys are saying go to AMD build.

best,
Alex

 

[BlessedSquirrel]

- The motherboard when I did my research everyone was saying get the crossfire over the strix for the future. I am gong with your advice though as its been near spot on when I have researched it apart from this. What I am not understanding is how no benefit from this upgraded motherboard - why is it on market then and more expensive? It's more curiosity on why if you could shed some light?

Computer components are targetted at different use cases. Just because something is available and MOOARREEE expensive doesn't mean it's better, it just means it has a different component set for different usage scenarios. Motherboards are based on a platform, they don't offer any improved performance at all, they're all X570. The Hero is designed for multi GPU setups (which you're not using, mainly aimed at high end workstation performance for video editing), or for LN2 overclocking which again you're not using. There would be no benefit to it in your rig for your uses.

- I wanted an extreme performance SSD as ill put 2 OS (OS Catalina + Windows 10) systems on the 2TB partioned drive. So 1TB for each system and I would also install my games here for quicker load.

We can't discuss a hackintosh, but you do realise how complicated it is to build a hackintosh? It's also illegal just so you're aware.
It's not really a good idea to partition an OS drive IMHO. It would make more sense to have 2 separate 1Tb drives for the OS's.

 

[Alex S]

- The motherboard when I did my research everyone was saying get the crossfire over the strix for the future. I am gong with your advice though as its been near spot on when I have researched it apart from this. What I am not understanding is how no benefit from this upgraded motherboard - why is it on market then and more expensive? It's more curiosity on why if you could shed some light?

Computer components are targetted at different use cases. Just because something is available and MOOARREEE expensive doesn't mean it's better, it just means it has a different component set for different usage scenarios. Motherboards are based on a platform, they don't offer any improved performance at all, they're all X570. The Hero is designed for multi GPU setups (which you're not using, mainly aimed at high end workstation performance for video editing), or for LN2 overclocking which again you're not using. There would be no benefit to it in your rig for your uses.

- I wanted an extreme performance SSD as ill put 2 OS (OS Catalina + Windows 10) systems on the 2TB partioned drive. So 1TB for each system and I would also install my games here for quicker load.

We can't discuss a hackintosh, but you do realise how complicated it is to build a hackintosh? It's also illegal just so you're aware.
It's not really a good idea to partition an OS drive IMHO. It would make more sense to have 2 separate 1Tb drives for the OS's.

I totally understand what you are saying, I just wanted to know why it wouldn't be beneficial to me currently, but maybe in the future. I am more concerned if the motherboard is compatible with a hackintosh, but will seek the information elsewhere as I didn't know it was illegal at all. Excuse the naivety. Do you have anywhere to point me where I can talk about this?

I do realise how complicated it is, AMD is much more complicated as you need to do terminal commands which I have just found out and also ADOBE doesn't run on AMD very well I am seeing. Might have to go to the Intel build now.. This is hard work trying to get the fine line of what you want!

I will take that advice for 2 1tb seagate gen4 ssds then. Thank you again!

best,
Alex

 

[BlessedSquirrel]

I totally understand what you are saying, I just wanted to know why it wouldn't be beneficial to me currently, but maybe in the future. I am more concerned if the motherboard is compatible with a hackintosh, but will seek the information elsewhere as I didn't know it was illegal at all. Excuse the naivety. Do you have anywhere to point me where I can talk about this?

I do realise how complicated it is, AMD is much more complicated as you need to do terminal commands which I have just found out and also ADOBE doesn't run on AMD very well I am seeing. Might have to go to the Intel build now.. This is hard work trying to get the fine line of what you want!

I will take that advice for 2 1tb seagate gen4 ssds then. Thank you again!

best,
Alex

As I said, we can’t advise on wares or hacks on this forum.