My new monster :-)
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TonyCarter
VALUED CONTRIBUTOR
Can you post more details of what you've actually put together?
Well this is the spec that the rather excellent chaps at PCS built;
Case
CORSAIR 6500X TEMPERED GLASS MID TOWER DUAL CHAMBER CASE
Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™ i9 24-Core Processor i9-14900KS (Up to 6.2 GHz) 36MB Cache
Motherboard
ASUS® ROG MAXIMUS Z790 DARK HERO (LGA1700, DDR5, PCIe 5.0, Wi-Fi 7)
Memory (RAM)
96GB Corsair VENGEANCE RGB DDR5 5600MHz (4 x 24GB)
Graphics Card
16GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 4080 SUPER - HDMI, DP, LHR
1st M.2 SSD Drive
2TB CORSAIR CORE XT MP600 NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD (up to 5000 MB/R, 4400 MB/W)
2nd M.2 SSD Drive
4TB CORSAIR CORE XT MP600 NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD (up to 5000 MB/R, 4400 MB/W)
CORSAIR 850W RMx SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Processor Cooling
CORSAIR iCUE H150i ELITE CAPELLIX XT RGB High Performance CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste
ARCTIC MX-4 EXTREME THERMAL CONDUCTIVITY COMPOUND
Operating System
Windows 11 Professional 64 Bit
The monitor is an Asus XG49V which I got a couple of years ago, a lovely cherry metal keyboard, razer Deathadder V2 mouse and a Wacom graphics tablet
Case
CORSAIR 6500X TEMPERED GLASS MID TOWER DUAL CHAMBER CASE
Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™ i9 24-Core Processor i9-14900KS (Up to 6.2 GHz) 36MB Cache
Motherboard
ASUS® ROG MAXIMUS Z790 DARK HERO (LGA1700, DDR5, PCIe 5.0, Wi-Fi 7)
Memory (RAM)
96GB Corsair VENGEANCE RGB DDR5 5600MHz (4 x 24GB)
Graphics Card
16GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 4080 SUPER - HDMI, DP, LHR
1st M.2 SSD Drive
2TB CORSAIR CORE XT MP600 NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD (up to 5000 MB/R, 4400 MB/W)
2nd M.2 SSD Drive
4TB CORSAIR CORE XT MP600 NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD (up to 5000 MB/R, 4400 MB/W)
CORSAIR 850W RMx SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Processor Cooling
CORSAIR iCUE H150i ELITE CAPELLIX XT RGB High Performance CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste
ARCTIC MX-4 EXTREME THERMAL CONDUCTIVITY COMPOUND
Operating System
Windows 11 Professional 64 Bit
The monitor is an Asus XG49V which I got a couple of years ago, a lovely cherry metal keyboard, razer Deathadder V2 mouse and a Wacom graphics tablet
BlessedSquirrel
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Just be aware, 13th Gen and 14th Gen intel are structurally unsound and deteriorating fast
www.pcspecialist.co.uk
Intel 13th and 14th Gen confirmed defective
Uh oh, reports coming in about 13th and 14th gen mobile cpus starting to get odd crashes https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/intel-says-13th-and-14th-gen-mobile-cpus-are-crashing-but-not-due-to-the-same-bug-as-desktop-chips-chipmaker-blames-common-software-and-hardware-issues...
TonyCarter
VALUED CONTRIBUTOR
Thanks. I really didn't want to be the one to have to post thatJust be aware, 13th Gen and 14th Gen intel are structurally unsound and deteriorating fast
Intel 13th and 14th Gen confirmed defective
Uh oh, reports coming in about 13th and 14th gen mobile cpus starting to get odd crashes https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/intel-says-13th-and-14th-gen-mobile-cpus-are-crashing-but-not-due-to-the-same-bug-as-desktop-chips-chipmaker-blames-common-software-and-hardware-issues...
BlessedSquirrel
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I would cancel the order, you can do so without any reason within 14 days of delivery.
Then I would wait until 9000 series AMD release on 15th, that will far outperform the 14900KS especially since your cooling isn't sufficient for it anyway so it will be constantly thermal throttling, so you'd never be able to achieve the available performance even if it didn't degrade.
You can get a far better system, just cancel it. They are defunct processors, extremely expensive for poor performance and broken by all accounts anyway at a structural level.
Scoped Badger
Well-known member
@Rossi01 this may seem drastic, and the responses you've got really aren't to put a downer on your PC build. There's nothing worse than when you're happy with something and other people don't have the same reaction. However, these Intel CPU's really are broken, and we've only really seen how much so in the last week or so.
SpyderTracks is right though, if you're still within the 14 day delivery slot, I would seriously recommend you return the PC and go for something from AMD. The people here on this forum will be happy to help you put something together that is stable, will fit your budget and suit you for a much longer time.
BlessedSquirrel
We love you Ukraine
I have a tendency to be rather blunt, @Scoped Badger put it far more eloquently than I have the capacity for, appreciated
Regardless of which route you go down, please take this as a sign and a reason to always get advice from an independent source rather than a sales team. Noone has done any wrong in speccing your build to your budget requirements, but we would always approach PC building from a completely different angle. We are all independent enthusiasts here and none of us work for PCS, other than any accounts that are listed as "Admin". We do this for the love of the game and to ensure people get the absolute best bang for their buck.
Anyone paid to have any sort of affiliation with anything are going to have a slight skew or gloss over certain considerations while being completely factual. A great example of this is positive reviews for Intel products over the past years. They do great comparisons in performance but they very readily gloss over the longevity of the sockets etc as this isn't a performance related consideration. It becomes massively considered when you're 5 years down the line and looking to upgrade to something new and shiny only to find you need to start again from scratch. These people may be able to readily afford that but I work under the assumption that not everyone gets free products or wants to burn money.
I would also recommend cancelling that order. It's fortunate if you are within your return period as a number of people make the same mistake not knowing what's going on in the tech world and just going with the aging hype.
Anyone paid to have any sort of affiliation with anything are going to have a slight skew or gloss over certain considerations while being completely factual. A great example of this is positive reviews for Intel products over the past years. They do great comparisons in performance but they very readily gloss over the longevity of the sockets etc as this isn't a performance related consideration. It becomes massively considered when you're 5 years down the line and looking to upgrade to something new and shiny only to find you need to start again from scratch. These people may be able to readily afford that but I work under the assumption that not everyone gets free products or wants to burn money.
I would also recommend cancelling that order. It's fortunate if you are within your return period as a number of people make the same mistake not knowing what's going on in the tech world and just going with the aging hype.
TonyCarter
VALUED CONTRIBUTOR
There is no 'fix'.
There's a microcode update being prepared for release, but it will probably simply limit the power, voltages and boost frequencies to minimise the risk of overheating.
It cannot, and will not fix anything, as the damage is at a silicon level...although they are extending the warranty to 3 years for retail units (I don't know how this will affect PCS's 1 year parts warranty as they're not retail units).
The fix would be to ensure the silicon fault was addressed and then replace all affected units with a new one, and pay for the labour to do so. If they're sure that the replacement silicon is really as good as it was meant to be, and is really fixed, they should have no problem running at the original official performance/extreme power settings that Intel advertised to motherboard makers.
Otherwise why should customers have to pay a premium for a product that will now be hobbled to perform significantly worse than advertised?
It's like Porsche selling you a 200mph car, and then sending out a software update to limit it to 150mph because the differential blows up when you hit 155mph due to poor quality control at the diff manufacturer. You'd want your money back, or a replacement diff from a known good batch (and the labour paid for).
BlessedSquirrel
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It’s also simply a voltage limitation, it doesn’t address the oxidation issues (totally separate issues). Intel are doubling down that oxidation only affected “early batches” of the 14 series, yet refuse to give any details as to which exact batches so those affected can get them swapped, plus, new information now points to the fact they were aware of this issue as far back as 2022 and went ahead with manufacture anyway.
Furthermore, several sources both in professional and data center spaces have confirmed oxidisation issues on brand new trays of recent fabbed units.
Basically Intel are lying through their teeth at each stage to delay an enforced recall.
According to current RMA times (for those who get approved, many are being rejected) replacements are now taking around a month because Intel have been overbinning wafers to try to fill 900series skus because they simply don’t have enough matching required bins, so even if you do get a replacement, it’s likely not going to perform as it should anyway.
Its a broken architecture.
Oh, and they promised a fix back in April, I wouldn‘t be surprised if they miss the upcoming deadline anyway
techreport.com
Furthermore, several sources both in professional and data center spaces have confirmed oxidisation issues on brand new trays of recent fabbed units.
Basically Intel are lying through their teeth at each stage to delay an enforced recall.
According to current RMA times (for those who get approved, many are being rejected) replacements are now taking around a month because Intel have been overbinning wafers to try to fill 900series skus because they simply don’t have enough matching required bins, so even if you do get a replacement, it’s likely not going to perform as it should anyway.
Its a broken architecture.
Oh, and they promised a fix back in April, I wouldn‘t be surprised if they miss the upcoming deadline anyway
Intel Finally Responds to Ongoing CPU Issues - Promises to Release a Patch by Mid-August
Intel has finally responded to ongoing issues with its 13th and 14th generation chips, citing a voltage problem. Read the full story here.
techreport.com
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Paul1964
Gold Level Poster
Like I said - don't hold your breath.
Where silicon is degraded by being over-volted, yes, the microcode will not fix it. You're done and will have to run under-powered for stability - I expect Intel will resist RMAs as much as possible - they've been behaving rather badly on this issue.
Where CPUs are so far undamaged, (new or run with cautious settings - though that's no guarantee) the microcode should resolve the voltage issue (believe it when you see it) but then you still need to set limits to not exceed 253W (or whatever the correct figure is) as the MB manufacturers (with Intel's blind eye - or maybe approval) were able to ignore any limits. Hopefully things will be different going forward with how badly Intel have been burned - but again not holding my breath.
The not giving batch numbers of chips with oxidation issues? WTF!!
AMD 9950X FTW!
Where silicon is degraded by being over-volted, yes, the microcode will not fix it. You're done and will have to run under-powered for stability - I expect Intel will resist RMAs as much as possible - they've been behaving rather badly on this issue.
Where CPUs are so far undamaged, (new or run with cautious settings - though that's no guarantee) the microcode should resolve the voltage issue (believe it when you see it) but then you still need to set limits to not exceed 253W (or whatever the correct figure is) as the MB manufacturers (with Intel's blind eye - or maybe approval) were able to ignore any limits. Hopefully things will be different going forward with how badly Intel have been burned - but again not holding my breath.
The not giving batch numbers of chips with oxidation issues? WTF!!
AMD 9950X FTW!
BlessedSquirrel
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But that’s the point, the voltage correction won’t solve the issue, it will merely increase the deterioration time, the architecture, the bridge between the ecores and pcores is substandard.
They very quietly released 14th gen sans ecores, I’m betting as they know that is the only actual solution, disabling ecores or fully removing them from the die. So far these are OEM only, I bet my bottom dollar these are eventually released as replacements
Intel sneaks out nine 14th-Gen CPUs without E-cores — odd flagship Core i9-14901KE is the first overclockable chip for the embedded market
These new Raptor Lake Refresh chips are for embedded solutions only.