Clevo 17.3" GPU TGP?
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Macco26
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Someone with the Elimina posted one month ago in this forum's 3DMark benchmark thread. In their link you should find some information. I might recall it was 90W + 15W DB, hence it can go up to 105W. Defiance.. I've no idea.
Or was it 80W + DB? Really can't recall, but for sure you'll find also post with title ELIMINA in the past month, with HWInfo64 screenshot of it.
Or was it 80W + DB? Really can't recall, but for sure you'll find also post with title ELIMINA in the past month, with HWInfo64 screenshot of it.
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why?
Ideally I'd like a Ryzen 5800 with 3060 rated at 115w+15, but I don't expect to see those for a couple of months and I need to order in the next week, so I'll be compromising whatever I get.
I was hoping for better than 95w + 10? from the Clevo.
Isn't the TongFang (Ionico) 17" 115w +15? so I will have to have another look at that.
I can also find laptops with similar spec gpu as the clevo, but Ryzen 5800 cpu from other manufacturer, and I would prefer a Ryzen to a 10 series intel.
I was hoping for better than 95w + 10? from the Clevo.
Isn't the TongFang (Ionico) 17" 115w +15? so I will have to have another look at that.
I can also find laptops with similar spec gpu as the clevo, but Ryzen 5800 cpu from other manufacturer, and I would prefer a Ryzen to a 10 series intel.
Macco26
Expert
I am pretty sure have seen 105W max in the Elimina, so are 90W + classic 15W Dynamic Boost.
About the 5800H forget they be coupled with 3060 for the entire 2021.
They are so unicorns in the market and so high demanded by people, they better be coupled with high costly, high margin RTX 3070 or 3080, no less.
They (vendors) want your joicy money for every single 5800H they had been able to get from TSMC/AMD.
About the 5800H forget they be coupled with 3060 for the entire 2021.
They are so unicorns in the market and so high demanded by people, they better be coupled with high costly, high margin RTX 3070 or 3080, no less.
They (vendors) want your joicy money for every single 5800H they had been able to get from TSMC/AMD.
Perodaktil
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I got my Defiance last Saturday, can't remember exactly where I saw it but it said 105w max.
It looks like my choice comes down to the Elimina on Ionico from here...
I don't really care about the size/weight/battery, so for me it comes down to, is the Ionico (115w 3060) worth £200 more to me than the Eliminia (95w 3060)
Has anyone heard anything that might sway my decision?
My initial thought is the increased gpu power of the Ionico isn't worth £200, and it might get a bit toasty warm, so I may as well save money with the Elimina.
I don't really care about the size/weight/battery, so for me it comes down to, is the Ionico (115w 3060) worth £200 more to me than the Eliminia (95w 3060)
Has anyone heard anything that might sway my decision?
My initial thought is the increased gpu power of the Ionico isn't worth £200, and it might get a bit toasty warm, so I may as well save money with the Elimina.
Thx for pointing out the screen difference between them, so it's screen and gpu power.
Are there any concerns over the Ionico's cooling?
It's 10mm thinner than than the Elimina and runs the gpu 20w higher, so I wasn't sure how well the heat would dissipate.
I haven't seen much on the Elimina either, just a review of the Clevo chassis from another site, and it seemed ok from that review.
Are there any concerns over the Ionico's cooling?
It's 10mm thinner than than the Elimina and runs the gpu 20w higher, so I wasn't sure how well the heat would dissipate.
I haven't seen much on the Elimina either, just a review of the Clevo chassis from another site, and it seemed ok from that review.
Bhuna50
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Sorry - best person to comment on the cooling would likely be @Macco26 as he has an Ionico and done some great videos (just search his posts) on reviewing it and other things.
He does have and will probably recommend though that as its a 1440p screen to go for the 3070 not the 3060 in the laptop.
He does have and will probably recommend though that as its a 1440p screen to go for the 3070 not the 3060 in the laptop.
Bhuna50
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Have you seen the benchmarks:
www.pcspecialist.co.uk
I just noticed as well another difference between the two - the Ionico has the Intel 10875H whereas the Elimina has the 10870H - both 8 core, but obviously a slight difference in speed.
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I just noticed as well another difference between the two - the Ionico has the Intel 10875H whereas the Elimina has the 10870H - both 8 core, but obviously a slight difference in speed.
Macco26
Expert
Well, if the problem with the Ionico MIGHT be in QC on the MUX installation, then it's a thing the Clevo being sold by PCS (Defiance, Elimina) do not have anyway.
Personally I am in love with mine, since it's all well performing. And would never go and pick a no-MUX-capable Defiance, for the records.
So much difference left to the table not having the choice. Unless you plan of playing on external monitor (not my case).
So if you're suggesting him not picking the Ionico because risking not having a fully functional MUX, he better avoids the PCS lineup entirely.
Other than that, I havent' heard any other complaints about the Ionico bringing to not suggest to buy it. And writiing this from a Ionico right now. Quite the opposite.
Frankly, in 2021 it's the best Laptop you can buy (not only in the PCS lineup), provided it's fully working (else Warranty / Returning period FTW):
the only one in the market with all of those combined:
- 17" QHD 165 Hz screen (a must go IMO for RTX 30 cards, as I explains my benchmarks). Many 15" QHD can be found around, but 17" QHD (where this resolution really does work) are very few.
- IR Windows Hello camera
- 8 core CPU undervoltable, king of gaming. Someone could argue than waiting for Zen3 is better; sure, it might help, but from the current experience, the once coming from the PCS ODMs isn't that much stronger in gaming. In productivity yes, but not in gaming. And Zen3 Cezanne is hotter than Intel. Proof everywhere (including my videos comparing vs 5800H Tongfang).
- Slim yet with RTX 3070 at 140W. The only better options are some M*I with 3080 150W+DB. But they get offered with FullHD screens (Really??) or 4K for a good grand more than our Ionico, no less. Crazy prices.
- The most customizable experience in terms of Control Center. Period. Everything at your disposal. You want a special fan curve? There. You want to limit 25W, 35W, 30W, 45W, 60W, 75W your CPU? Press a button and go.
- MUX capable. No really, 20+ FPS in Warzone or 120+ FPS in esports are nothing to scuff off. For free.
If anybody can provide me a better product on the market with everything here combined, I am all ears. I coudldn't find.
You know what will be better than Ionico? A future Ionico with Tigerlake-H after May/June/July. Or possibily Zen3, but again, very slim production of those CPUs, don't expect many for the months to come.
QC is a problem of PCS, as they'll have to handle possible warranty problems for the years to come. We do know that perfectly capable and MUX working Ionicos do exist (knocks wood).
My 2 cents as a happy Ionico user.
Personally I am in love with mine, since it's all well performing. And would never go and pick a no-MUX-capable Defiance, for the records.
So much difference left to the table not having the choice. Unless you plan of playing on external monitor (not my case).
So if you're suggesting him not picking the Ionico because risking not having a fully functional MUX, he better avoids the PCS lineup entirely.
Other than that, I havent' heard any other complaints about the Ionico bringing to not suggest to buy it. And writiing this from a Ionico right now. Quite the opposite.
Frankly, in 2021 it's the best Laptop you can buy (not only in the PCS lineup), provided it's fully working (else Warranty / Returning period FTW):
the only one in the market with all of those combined:
- 17" QHD 165 Hz screen (a must go IMO for RTX 30 cards, as I explains my benchmarks). Many 15" QHD can be found around, but 17" QHD (where this resolution really does work) are very few.
- IR Windows Hello camera
- 8 core CPU undervoltable, king of gaming. Someone could argue than waiting for Zen3 is better; sure, it might help, but from the current experience, the once coming from the PCS ODMs isn't that much stronger in gaming. In productivity yes, but not in gaming. And Zen3 Cezanne is hotter than Intel. Proof everywhere (including my videos comparing vs 5800H Tongfang).
- Slim yet with RTX 3070 at 140W. The only better options are some M*I with 3080 150W+DB. But they get offered with FullHD screens (Really??) or 4K for a good grand more than our Ionico, no less. Crazy prices.
- The most customizable experience in terms of Control Center. Period. Everything at your disposal. You want a special fan curve? There. You want to limit 25W, 35W, 30W, 45W, 60W, 75W your CPU? Press a button and go.
- MUX capable. No really, 20+ FPS in Warzone or 120+ FPS in esports are nothing to scuff off. For free.
If anybody can provide me a better product on the market with everything here combined, I am all ears. I coudldn't find.
You know what will be better than Ionico? A future Ionico with Tigerlake-H after May/June/July. Or possibily Zen3, but again, very slim production of those CPUs, don't expect many for the months to come.
QC is a problem of PCS, as they'll have to handle possible warranty problems for the years to come. We do know that perfectly capable and MUX working Ionicos do exist (knocks wood).
My 2 cents as a happy Ionico user.
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SpyderTracks
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We’re not talking about the MUX issues though, that’s just one out of several repetitive issues that crop up with this manufacturer, the others being far more important.
It’s form over function, dressing it up to look good on paper, but build quality is awful so they tend to fail very fast.
Macco26
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Ok, but from my direct experience on this 2021 generation, I have ZERO problems with that machine. ZERO. This is me, of couse, not the entire customer base. But the only issues arose so far is some borky MUX, and I knew the reasons behind. Oh and yeah, the Angelo's Ionico, but we don't know if that was a software setup.
I'd not consider the Ionico suffering from deficiencies of past generations, not at least so to even suggesting NOT to buy the Ionico because of this and that deficiency. Not from whom not owning the laptop, at the least.
Else I should say: since my Clevo bought 5 years ago broke its D keys twice and broke its MXM GPU module 4 times in a row, do no buy the Clevos at all cost. I am not doing that. I suspect Clevo of today are better than that.
If someone asks to me, am not suggesting current Clevos purely because of objectively they lack features in this 2021 generation.
E.g. not providing a MUX while offering 300+ Hz FullHD. My experience says without a MUX you can't reach ever those FPS. Ever. Not even in 2007 games like Team Fortress 2. So a bad planned combo on my eyes.
I'd not consider the Ionico suffering from deficiencies of past generations, not at least so to even suggesting NOT to buy the Ionico because of this and that deficiency. Not from whom not owning the laptop, at the least.
Else I should say: since my Clevo bought 5 years ago broke its D keys twice and broke its MXM GPU module 4 times in a row, do no buy the Clevos at all cost. I am not doing that. I suspect Clevo of today are better than that.
If someone asks to me, am not suggesting current Clevos purely because of objectively they lack features in this 2021 generation.
E.g. not providing a MUX while offering 300+ Hz FullHD. My experience says without a MUX you can't reach ever those FPS. Ever. Not even in 2007 games like Team Fortress 2. So a bad planned combo on my eyes.
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barlew
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I get what you are saying and it is certainly early days in regards to whether we will see systemic faults with the latest Tong Fang chassis. My personal opinion seeing the early signs that at are starting to crop up is that they are going to be just as bad.
Its very different to the unfortunate situation you had with your Clevo as you just clearly had a dud laptop (like my old Vortex which was also Clevo). Last year every Tong Fang chassis apart from possibly the 15 inch version of the Vyper, had serious QC issues which was why by the end of the year every serious member of this forum was warning users away from Tong Fang.
Don't get me wrong I am relieved yours seems to be working as well as you were hoping for and I hope it stays that way and I hope the few faults that are cropping up now are isolated.
What concerns me though is this is what happened last year with the Vyper. Everyone took delivery of them and every body was raving about them. Then within 3-6 weeks the forums were full of the same people detailing the faults which were cropping up and they were all the same.
I had decided to pull the trigger on the Elimina - but as it's out of stock with delivery ETA of 10/04 it says I can't order one, or even pre-order ... pooh.
I need to order something before month end in 2 days, so I'll wait a day or so and see if anything changes, before I decide between and Ionico or another
I need to order something before month end in 2 days, so I'll wait a day or so and see if anything changes, before I decide between and Ionico or another
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