Desktop Building Guide - January 2025

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Scott

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A "quick" reference guide to building the perfect system. This is the sort of logic I go through when suggesting systems, so thought I would jot it down on the page. Clearly this is an ever changing suite of options but I'll update periodically as my default go-to's change...

AMD or Intel:

As has been the case for a while now it's a no brainer. There are very few situations where Intel has any edge over AMD now, the power consumption, cooling issues and on-going fears of quality control mean if you're starting from scratch there's only one sensible option. AMD has committed to supporting the socket into the future (2027, which means a chip or 2 to come on the socket) and are top of the pile in every recommendation. I don't see this changing anytime soon but I am hopeful that Intel will be back in time for better competition/pricing.
For gaming it's a complete whitewash and only been getting worse of late. The 9800X3D is the king of gaming, and it's not too shabby with multi-tasking or productivity either.


Which CPU:

This completely comes down to what you would use the system for. The X3D offerings from AMD are for gaming users. There are only 2 sensible considerations, the 9800X3D and the soon to be available 9950X3D (eta March 2025). The 9950X3D would be for heavy gamers and secondary intensive process users. The 9950X is no slouch and offers higher performance, it's just not quite the gaming powerhouse that the X3D chips are.


Which Motherboard:

The motherboard situation is quite interesting. I'm not overfly fond of the way AMD have gone about their chipset naming conversion. Keeping it brief, the 870 chipset is equivalent to the 650E chipset, which means the naming doesn't really go for much now. B650 TUF is my starting point, if you need more PCIe lanes or a higher end VRM, the only real choice is the X870E chipset, which tends to be Gigabyte for now. The ASUS offering is the Hero motherboard which is eye wateringly expensive. There aren't any decent in-between options at the moment.


Which RAM:

RAM is possibly the least complicated it's ever been. Of course it comes down to budget, but the recommendation would be the fastest 2x16GB kit you can get. 32GB is going to be my new recommendation where budget allows, unless for specific tasks (Video editing, Rendering, etc).

AMD recommend 6000Mhz for their kits. Even now with faster RAM being available, dropping the frequency and lowering the timing has a better impact than keeping higher frequency with looser timings. It's worth getting faster RAM when the cost is insignificant or the timing is better, but I wouldn't get too deep into it. Always opt for 2 sticks where possible, 4 will reduce default speeds and will need tweaked to get the most out of it, better to keep it simple and opt for 2.

For MSFS2024 you will want to consider 64GB of RAM, this isn't necessary and is purely for the highest end. It's just worth noting that it's a consideration in builds.


Which GPU:

Pricing for GPUs have gotten ridiculous over the years. The pricing is eye watering. To get into gaming at a good level takes a minimum investment. You always want to match the GPU to the monitor resolution/refresh rate. Try not to get caught up in benchmark figures as you could bring a 4090/5090 to its knees at 1080p using insane settings. There's no point in burning money when the GPU is most likely the first thing you will upgrade.

We will never, ever, recommend overshooting your requirements. You can't future proof a GPU, it's just impossible. You can waste money overshooting your requirements, but this just costs money rather than offering protection. The main consideration I have in the below is actually vRAM. I would suggest 12GB to be the minimum now, unfortunately that does affect pricing brackets significantly. Below isn't what's available, just what I would suggest you consider.

Note that the next generation GPUs are releasing imminently, they will likely just swap the numbers to 50 rather than 40 for Nvidia though. There is an AMD release due fairly soon too but it's quite tight lipped at the moment.

1080p - AMD 7600XT / 4060 Ti (16GB)

1440p - 4070 (Super) or AMD 7800XT. This comes down to technologies. Some prefer DLSS and Ray Tracing. I would probably opt for the 4070 here, it's better value with the tech involved.

1440p Extreme - 4070 Ti Super or 7900XT. Similar to above, the difference here is you're looking to push high refresh and you're willing to pay for it. 7900XT performs better in raster but you get some better bells and whistles with Nvidia.

4k or Ultrawide - 4080 Super or 7900 XTX. Exactly as previous, these cards trade blows so it comes down to the technolgy you want to have in play. I would let the current pricing make your mind up for you. Consider the vRAM of the 7900XTX, given the way gaming is going nowadays, especially for 4k.

Ultimate Gaming - 4090. There's no contest at this level but boy do you pay for it.


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Scott

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Which Storage:


This is going to vary wildly depending on uses. I would suggest that at the very least you want an SSD in place nowadays. It's not great to have a powerful system with a very slow HDD making the entire system feel slow. There are relatively low budget options available now but the obvious go-to now is going to be an M2 drive. The minimum recommendation from me would be a 500GB system drive and, hopefully, a 1TB storage drive. Here are some considerations:

Conventional HDD - Slow but mass storage. By slow, we are talking 100MB/s, which is no slouch though. It just increases windows load and game load times. Games on this drive will perform no worse than on the fastest drive on the planet, it's purely load time. This storage is often recommended for mass documents/files/music/movies where speed doesn't really come into play. Reserved as a system drive for the lowest of budgets.

SATA SSD - Previously the go-to for fast load times. The SATA drives are sometimes a little cheaper than the M2 equivalent so often considered for lower end budget system drives. Also considered for faster mass storage at times too. I tend to avoid these until I run out of M2 slots personally.

M2 SSD - Varying performance but even the lowest performing option makes everything else look silly. Fast windows load times (win 10 in 5 seconds), fast game load times and incredibly quick program load times (Premiere Pro is a great example).

Secondary Drives - I tend to have a reasonably sized system drive and a large, but still fast, secondary drive for my games. This allows me to reformat the system without having to reload my games. Benefits include reducing the writes on the drives as you will never need to remove/wipe/reinstall the games. This is a luxury option of course.

Cache Drives - Similar to the above, this is a fast secondary drive used as a cache with more professional applications in mind. When RAM is at a premium or used to excess with a particular software, a drive can be used by the software to cache to. If the drive is super quick, such as an M2 drive, it will give great performance and you would hopefully not notice any slow down at all (as if it was in the memory). Cache drives are important as they have their own lane of traffic (I/O Channel), This means the system is able to do 2 things at once. Luxury option again.


Which PSU:

PSUs aren't created equally. There are different levels of PSU for different tiers of usage as well as different power levels. Corsair are a fantastic brand of PSU so rest assured, if you choose a Corsair PSU.... it's a great bit of kit. I would always try to fit a 650w PSU as a bare minimum to any desktop system now. With the new GPUs in mind, along with their power requirements, I would actually recommend a minimum 850w as a base where the budget allows, 1200w if you want to ensure you are covered for all current options (4090). There's not a lot of difference in price when bumping up the wattage in the middle range, but there is when you bump up the model level (VS - TX- RM - HX). Anything over a 3060(Ti) I would typically recommend 850W, most systems nowadays I'm recommending 1000w though.

VS - These are entry level models. Reserved for lower budget systems. They are not modular and they come with the lowest warranty. They are good PSUs, just not at the enthusiast level.

TXm - These are mid-tier models. Mostly recommended with standard systems. They are semi-modular and come with a reasonable warranty. Excellent PSUs with a good level of component and a quiet fan system.

RM/RMx+ - Anything from the RMx and above is an enthusiast high end PSU. These are fully modular, have premium components, high level of warranty and they run silent most of the time (less than 33% load doesn't switch the fan on). I personally wouldn't have anything but an RM or above in my own system. It's what powers all your expensive lovely components, it's worth spending a few quid extra, especially when the PSU can last 10+ years.

ATX3.0 - I wouldn't recommend anything but ATX3.x now. The options are filtering into the configurator and it will make a massive difference for any transient spikes. The GPUs are getting more powerful and having this sort of feature set will make all the difference.


Which Cooler:


Air Cooling
- No good options at the time of writing.

AIO - I would always advocate for the Corsair offering. The OEM offerings have similar TDP ratings, but they just don't compare to Corsair for me. Unfortunately you pay for it. I wouldn't opt for less than 240mm, with 280mm being the quietest option. This can make such a difference with the way chips boost nowadays. Spend some money here, you won't regret it.


Which Wireless:

Wireless is now on all recommended motherboards as standard. Otherwise the Intel AX210 has you covered. Anything that requires something higher end you would want on a cable regardless.


Which Case:

I know this is the first option in the configurator and I have left it to last. This may seem quite strange but without the experience of knowing all of the above it's hard to make this choice first. The case is VERY important to your build, I cannot stress this enough. Think of it as a long term investment, keeping all your expensive components safe and cool while potentially being used for many systems going forward. This is not based solely on budget, when they look pretty it costs money, as even the cheaper cases can be absolutely fantastic. The Case options seem very limited at the moment so PLEASE post up for advice before considering the same price bracket meaning the same quality. My recommendations and considerations are as follows:

Corsair 3000D (Budget) - Keep in mind you won't want high end GPUs in such a case but it's a fantastic smaller case with a sleek aesthetic.

Lian Li Lancool 215 (Budget RGB) - The first starting point for RGB IMO. If you want an RGB case, this is the cheapest one I would recommend at the time of writing. Again, it'll house anything you wish. Every case I recommend will consider the current and potential future requirements.

Corsair 3500X, 4000X, 4000D (Mid)- Corsair are making some cracking cases and have done for a while. These are next up in the list and similarly priced. You can't go wrong, just choose the aesthetic you want.

Lian Li Lancool II and the Coolermaster Mastercase H500 (Mid) - Fantastic cases for cooling, I don't recommend them often as I'm not a fan of the aesthetics but there is absolutely no doubt these are amazing airflow cases for any build. If you like the look, go for it.

Fractal North (Mid Elegant) - Sleek, mid-level. First class cooling potential, excellent reviews and it looks great.

Anything Lian Li, Fractal, Corsair (High End) - You can't really go wrong with any of these manufacturers in the £150+ bracket. Nothing any of them do is going to be anything but stellar performance wise. Choose based on preferred aesthetic.

Define 7 XL (Quiet) - This is a QUIET case. This is the one you want if silence is your goal. Paired with the right cooling & power options you can hardly even tell when the system is switched on. This is definitely the go to for airflow AND silence at the same time.

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Scott

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Some example gaming builds:

I might add this back in later. The stock and pricing fluctuates too much to stay on top of it. I had listed out some builds but PC crashed during update so not doing it all again at the moment. Always worthwhile to start a thread in the forum to get specific advice for your needs.

1080p Budget - £1500-£1700
1080p High End - £2000 (Wouldn't recommend)
1440p Entry - £1900-£2100
1440p High End - £2500k
4k Entry - £2300-£2600
4K High end - £3k+

Further Reading:

For pairing with a suitable monitor, the following thread is a great post covering just about everything you could ever wish.



AMD Vs Intel



GPU Power Consideration

 
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Scott

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The reviews for the 3060Ti are coming in so I think I should be ready to sort something out soon. It will take a bit of time as I think I might go from the ground up. I'll take it off line in a word processor though and see where I get to.

So much has changed, exciting times :)
 

Nathan531

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Some example gaming builds:

Note that the 3300X is almost always sold out so these are really for reference only. Very popular chips thanks to their overclocking ability which is rare for AMD. With that in mind I've gone with the 3600 as my default which has added to the costs a bit. I've removed the B450 from recommendations save for the most budget 1080p system. This obviously all impacts the starting point. You should ALWAYS get advice on your specific build with your specific requirements. The below are just examples of what I would recommend with the budgets. Please keep this in mind.

Excellent Entry level 1080p £868* - https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am4-gen3-pc/A!9GtsmWGT/
Excellent Mid-Level 1080p £997* - https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am4-gen3-pc/89rrE3Tgse/
Excellent High-level 1080p £1,210* - https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am4-gen3-pc/D8R6SGnWdF/


Everything below this point should be taken with a pinch of salt until the new cards are available. Please ask for specific advise if looking to game at the below level as we are in the midst of a real change.

Excellent Entry level 1440p £1,101* - https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am4-gen3-pc/ZC6qHJJApb/
Excellent Mid-Level 1440p £1,219* - https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am4-gen3-pc/wKhsAdqDxD/
Excellent High-Level 1440p & VR £1,406* - https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am4-gen3-pc/K9pyjXAB3B/

Excellent Entry Level 4k & VR £1,614* - https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am4-gen3-pc/AAecrSceQv/
Excellent High-Level 4k & VR £2,059* - https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am4-gen3-pc/JvxjX4j28S/

Note, all of the above are based on the same case and other varying options. The choices are limitless, it's purely to give reference to the sort of budgets that buy GOOD systems at their varying degrees of use. Professional use has to change again due to the variations with RAM/Storage/CPU. They all include a fast primary drive, Windows license (£100 at the time of writing), they all have a good Wifi card (£18) and they all have a silver warranty.

*at the time of writing

Further Reading:


For pairing with a suitable monitor, the following thread is a great post covering just about everything you could ever wish.



AMD Vs Intel



GPU Power Consideration

Hi. For your high level pc build, I'm guessing the only reason 1st storage is a HDD is because of price? Otherwise you'd go for two SSD's or a SSD and HDD?. Used the same PC for 10 years (550ti) so I really want to make sure I get a really good set up going that can play titles comfortably.

For your high level build, the only thing I'd look to change is the storage (like mentioned above). However I don't know for certain. So is the barracuda HDD fine or should I change it to an SSD.
 

BlessedSquirrel

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Hi. For your high level pc build, I'm guessing the only reason 1st storage is a HDD is because of price? Otherwise you'd go for two SSD's or a SSD and HDD?. Used the same PC for 10 years (550ti) so I really want to make sure I get a really good set up going that can play titles comfortably.

For your high level build, the only thing I'd look to change is the storage (like mentioned above). However I don't know for certain. So is the barracuda HDD fine or should I change it to an SSD.
The primary drive should always be an M2 NVME SSD, the 1st Storage drive is for SATA drives, you'd normally configure a 7200rpm HDD in that as data doesn't benefit from SSD speeds and HDD's are a lot more reliable.
 

Nathan531

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Thanks, one last question. What would be the optimal installation for games? The OS should be on the m2 SSD if I remember, HDDs give slower loading, so m2 ssd for OS etc, 1st ssd games and 2nd HDD for storing, or is there a more optimal way?
 
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Martinr36

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Thanks, one last question. What would be the optimal installation for games? The OS should be on the m2 SSD if I remeber, HDDs give slower loading, so m2 ssd for OS etc, 1st ssd games and 2nd HDD for storing, or is there a more optimal way.
If the budget will allow then drop a second M.2 in for games to go on, 1 of the 1TB PCS ones will be fine
 

Scott

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Recently updated again. The configurator is a bit of a nightmare at the moment. I'm guessing there's going to be a big shift in case selection etc. As always, get specific advice on your build. Above is just a description of the methodology, there's a lot more to consider for individual needs.

When the configurator settles down I'll maybe mock up some example builds again.
 
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