What do you think to this laptop

[JasonThompson663]

I mainly produce music hence the "over the top" ram. May do a little gaming on it. Would be nice to play games at decent graphic settings but not bothered about ultra settings.


ORDER PREPARED FOR PRODUCTION, CURRENTLY AWAITING:
Clevo NP70RNB (6GB RTX-3050, i7-13620H, AX211, 144Hz N7, Blank KB)
Chassis & Display
Elimina Series: 17.3" Matte Full HD 144Hz 72% NTSC LED Widescreen (1920x1080)
Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™ i7 10 Core Processor 13620H (4.90GHz Turbo)
Memory (RAM)
64GB Corsair 3200MHz SODIMM DDR4 (2 x 32GB)
Graphics Card
NVIDIA® GeForce® RTX 3050 - 6.0GB GDDR6 Video RAM - DirectX® 12.1
1st M.2 SSD Drive
2TB PCS PCIe M.2 SSD (3500 MB/R, 3100 MB/W)
2nd M.2 SSD Drive
2TB PCS PCIe M.2 SSD (3500 MB/R, 3100 MB/W)
Memory Card Reader
Integrated Micro-SD Memory Card Reader
AC Adaptor
1 x 150W AC Adaptor
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre Cloverleaf UK Power Cable
Battery
Elimina Series Integrated 54WH Lithium Ion Battery
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
2 Channel High Def. Audio + SoundBlaster™ Studio
Bluetooth & Wireless
GIGABIT LAN & WIRELESS INTEL® Wi-Fi 6E AX211 + BT 5.3
USB/Thunderbolt Options
2 x USB 3.2 PORTS (Type C) + 1 x USB 3.2 PORT + 1 x USB 2.0 PORT
Keyboard Language
ELIMINA 17" SERIES MULTI COLOUR BACKLIT UK KEYBOARD
Operating System
Windows 11 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10/11 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Google Chrome™
Notebook Mouse
INTEGRATED 2 BUTTON TOUCHPAD MOUSE
Webcam
INTEGRATED 2.0 MP FULL HD WEBCAM
Warranty
3 Year Standard Warranty (6 Month Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 3 to 5 working days
Welcome Book
PCSpecialist Welcome Book

 

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[SpyderTracks]

I mainly produce music hence the "over the top" ram. May do a little gaming on it. Would be nice to play games at decent graphic settings but not bothered about ultra settings.


ORDER PREPARED FOR PRODUCTION, CURRENTLY AWAITING:
Clevo NP70RNB (6GB RTX-3050, i7-13620H, AX211, 144Hz N7, Blank KB)
Chassis & Display
Elimina Series: 17.3" Matte Full HD 144Hz 72% NTSC LED Widescreen (1920x1080)
Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™ i7 10 Core Processor 13620H (4.90GHz Turbo)
Memory (RAM)
64GB Corsair 3200MHz SODIMM DDR4 (2 x 32GB)
Graphics Card
NVIDIA® GeForce® RTX 3050 - 6.0GB GDDR6 Video RAM - DirectX® 12.1
1st M.2 SSD Drive
2TB PCS PCIe M.2 SSD (3500 MB/R, 3100 MB/W)
2nd M.2 SSD Drive
2TB PCS PCIe M.2 SSD (3500 MB/R, 3100 MB/W)
Memory Card Reader
Integrated Micro-SD Memory Card Reader
AC Adaptor
1 x 150W AC Adaptor
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre Cloverleaf UK Power Cable
Battery
Elimina Series Integrated 54WH Lithium Ion Battery
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
2 Channel High Def. Audio + SoundBlaster™ Studio
Bluetooth & Wireless
GIGABIT LAN & WIRELESS INTEL® Wi-Fi 6E AX211 + BT 5.3
USB/Thunderbolt Options
2 x USB 3.2 PORTS (Type C) + 1 x USB 3.2 PORT + 1 x USB 2.0 PORT
Keyboard Language
ELIMINA 17" SERIES MULTI COLOUR BACKLIT UK KEYBOARD
Operating System
Windows 11 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10/11 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Google Chrome™
Notebook Mouse
INTEGRATED 2 BUTTON TOUCHPAD MOUSE
Webcam
INTEGRATED 2.0 MP FULL HD WEBCAM
Warranty
3 Year Standard Warranty (6 Month Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 3 to 5 working days
Welcome Book
PCSpecialist Welcome Book

I hate to say it but this really isn't the right device for either of your requirements.

For audio, it's going to be noisy with the dGPU in it, fans will be loud, also as it's Intel it will run extremely hot. Also Intel 13th Gen aren't great for audio. The resulting issue if latency does occur is pops and clicks in the audio feed that you can't get rid of. That platform is also over 2 years old at this stage, so really that laptop is already half way through it's expected lifetime, so you're only going to get a couple of years before it's ready for replacement time.

You can get a feel for the various issues with Raptor Lake related to latency here (skip to 1:42):

For gaming, the mobile 3050 even when it was new struggled to maintain 60FPS AT 1080p, but that was when it was released in 2021!!! Bring that to today and with only 6Gb VRAM, you just won't even be able to load a lot of games, let alone play them. That isn't a gaming focussed laptop in any way, it's more suitable for say photo editing where the dGPU can provide a little hardware acceleration for effects processing. Even when it was brand new it would have been very poor for gaming.

its not that you can’t work around the CPU issues or at least reduce them, but you need to know undervolting and how to manage parking cores, and often undervolting is locked out at the BIOS level

I would suggest cancelling that order entirely. I can recommend some alternatives if you wanted.

 

[JasonThompson663]

I hate to say it but this really isn't the right device for either of your requirements.

For audio, it's going to be noisy with the dGPU in it, fans will be loud, also as it's Intel it will run extremely hot. Also Intel 13th Gen aren't great for audio. The resulting issue if latency does occur is pops and clicks in the audio feed that you can't get rid of. That platform is also over 2 years old at this stage, so really that laptop is already half way through it's expected lifetime, so you're only going to get a couple of years before it's ready for replacement time.

You can get a feel for the various issues with Raptor Lake related to latency here (skip to 1:42):

For gaming, the mobile 3050 even when it was new struggled to maintain 60FPS AT 1080p, but that was when it was released in 2021!!! Bring that to today and with only 6Gb VRAM, you just won't even be able to load a lot of games, let alone play them. That isn't a gaming focussed laptop in any way, it's more suitable for say photo editing where the dGPU can provide a little hardware acceleration for effects processing. Even when it was brand new it would have been very poor for gaming.

its not that you can’t work around the CPU issues or at least reduce them, but you need to know undervolting and how to manage parking cores, and often undervolting is locked out at the BIOS level

I would suggest cancelling that order entirely. I can recommend some alternatives if you wanted.

I use an audio interface so latency isn't an issue I'm producing on a much much much older system and running fine apart from needing that extra ram.

 

[JasonThompson663]

I use an audio interface so latency isn't an issue I'm producing on a much much much older system and running fine apart from needing that extra ram.

And also no idea how you got that info about gaming. The benchmarks I've been watching have actually been pretty good at high settings

 

[SpyderTracks]

And also no idea how you got that info about gaming. The benchmarks I've been watching have actually been pretty good at high settings

Care to link those benchmarks? Have a feeling it will be a comparison site, or for an entirely different GPU

I’ll bow out, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing

 

[SpyderTracks]

I use an audio interface so latency isn't an issue I'm producing on a much much much older system and running fine apart from needing that extra ram.

Literally has no relation to system latency. How do you think the data from the audio interface is processed? Magically on the interface?

 

[JasonThompson663]

Care to link those benchmarks? Have a feeling it will be a comparison site, or for an entirely different GPU

I’ll bow out, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing

Just YouTube the graphics card and CPU laptop benchmarks loads of them there

 

[JasonThompson663]

Literally has no relation to system latency. How do you think the data from the audio interface is processed? Magically on the interface?

I guess my 10 ISH year old system is much much better than this laptop then 😂

 

[SpyderTracks]

I guess my 10 ISH year old system is much much better than this laptop then 😂

literally have no idea how you think comparing to an older gen processor that was on a different architecture that didn’t have this issue in the design would in any way translate?

Apologies, I assumed from the title you were looking for advice.

 

[SpyderTracks]

I’ll just link this as you dont seem to know what DPC latency is which is very unusual for anyone working with digital audio

https://www.reddit.com/r/WeAreTheMusicMakers/comments/13hrj2a

 

[JasonThompson663]

I’ll just link this as you dont seem to know what DPC latency is which is very unusual for anyone working with digital audio

https://www.reddit.com/r/WeAreTheMusicMakers/comments/13hrj2a

Audio interfaces run on its own asio driver and isn't affected by dpc. If by any chance my ram or CPU is absolute maxed out by what I'm doing then youl see some issues but that's it.

I've been producing music for over 15 years I have some experience with it you know

 

[JasonThompson663]

Audio interfaces run on its own asio driver and isn't affected by dpc. If by any chance my ram or CPU is absolute maxed out by what I'm doing then youl see some issues but that's it.

I've been producing music for over 15 years I have some experience with it you know

If I was using the laptops sound system then yes you will be absolutely right but no producer would ever to imagine to use it that's ridiculous

 

[SpyderTracks]

If I was using the laptops sound system then yes you will be absolutely right but no producer would ever to imagine to use it that's ridiculous

At no time did I question your skills at audio work, just trying to highlight to you that this is not the right system for your uses, and I don’t think you understand how important CPU architecture is to audio stuff.

You’re not making any sense. All the interface does is act as a ADC and sends the digital audio stream to the PC DAW on which it is then processed into the DAW or vice versa as a DAC

Obviously you haven’t watched the video so you don’t understand what I’m talking about, so can’t be that interested. It’s the DPC latency of the SYSTEM affecting the DAW output, nothing to do with the usb latency for the audio interface INPUT, it’s the actual cpu architecture that results in audio issues IN THE GENERATED FILES

Pointless posting any actual evidence but will try again anyway: https://forum.level1techs.com/t/i-t...with-12-and-13-gen-intel-processors/193867/17

Not much we can do im afraid, it’s a piss poor investment. But you seem happy with that

TLDR: it will be crap at gaming and unless you know some pretty advanced CPU management and are likely having to hack the BIOs to enable those workarounds, it will be crap for audio too