Please check this for me.

[Clintster]

I have been waiting for a long time for an AMD 16" recoil laptop, it's delayed because the 5090 chassis is not supplied yet. I have now been told it "might" be in by the end of the month.
I want this machine to produce AI video and images and create Loras, there will unlikely be any games played.
I believe the 5090 graphics cards are in stock for desktops so I am thinking of changing to a desktop instead of waiting for the laptop. the benefit of this will be the additional vram on the graphics card but I am concerned about the issues with wiring burnout on the 5090 or has that now been sorted? Another benefit would be the cooling on the dsktop as I have no intention of water cooling the laptop.

What do you all think? the laptop will never be unplugged and would never leave the house, the only reason I wanted a laptop was so I could sit in bed in the morning to check emails and news etc, I'm thinking I could get a cheap laptop to do that.

I have a monitor that will do for now, or i'll add one to this spec, same goes for a keyboard and mouse, I tend to use a trackball anyway.

Here is the spec I'm looking at, I'd be very grateful for opinions good or bad from you guys that know.

Case
PCS PULSE MID TOWER CASE (PWM)
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 7 5800XT Eight Core CPU (3.8GHz-4.8GHz/36MB CACHE/AM4)
Motherboard
ASUS® TUF GAMING B550-PLUS (AM4, DDR4, PCIe 4.0)
Memory (RAM)
128GB PCS PRO DDR4 3200MHz (4 x 32GB)
Graphics Card
32GB PALIT GEFORCE RTX 5090 GAMEROCK - HDMI, 3 x DP
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB CORSAIR ELITE MP600 NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD (up to 7000 MB/R, 6200 MB/W)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB CORSAIR ELITE MP600 NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD (up to 7000 MB/R, 6200 MB/W)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 1000W RMx SERIES™ ATX 3.1, MODULAR, CYBENETICS GOLD
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead, 1.0mm Core)
Processor Cooling
PCS FrostFlow 100 V3 Series High Performance CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT
Wireless Network Card
WIRELESS AC600 USB ADAPTER (433Mbps/5GHz, 150Mbps/2.4GHz) + BT 4.2
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 11 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10/11 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Google Chrome™
Warranty
3 Year Platinum Warranty (3 Year Collect & Return, 3 Year Parts, 3 Year labour)
Delivery
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Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 6 to 8 working days
Price: £3,571.00 including VAT and Delivery
Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am4-home-office/ccDSyrtk5e/

What would you do? what would you change if anything? Why are there so many 5090 options? Are they all Nvidia?
Many thanks,
Clint

 

[Clintster]

Actually I'd add the windows media on a pen drive too, do I still get access to it online?

 

[TonyCarter]

Not sure why you'd go for a 3-generation old AMD CPU and motherboard? The current equivalent Ryzen 7 CPU is the 9700X (faster & more efficient), and you'd want a B850 motherboard with wifi (as the USB adapters are slow/poor) at a minimum - or possibly an X870E motherboard considering the level of spend.

The PCS case is a very budget case (thin metal, poor airflow), as is the cooler. Upgrading both of those to something worthwhile would add another £200...and for that price you could get a newer platform (see below).

Of course the 5090 is the killer to the cost (£2400 just for the GPU), and whilst you could get the 5080 (£1150) to get the same cores (CUDA/Tensor) as the laptop 5090, you'd lose out significantly on the VRAM...and unfortunately I believe your usage needs the VRAM more than the cores.

I'd not bother with the pen drive, as you'll want to create your own install media on your own USB stick with the latest build direct from Microsoft...not an old version on your account or the pen drive.

Case
CORSAIR 3500X ARGB TEMPERED GLASS MID-TOWER (PCS) - would have said the Corsair Frame 4000D, but it's currently only showing in white (the black one is the older 4000D non-Frame), but you may prefer a non-RGB case like the Fractal Define 7
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 7 9700X Eight Core CPU (3.8GHz-5.5GHz/40MB CACHE/AM5) - the desktop equivalent of your laptop CPU would be the 9950X
Motherboard
GIGABYTE B850 AORUS ELITE WIFI 7 (AM5, DDR5, M.2 PCIe 5.0, Wi-Fi 7)
Memory (RAM)
96GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR5 5200MHz CL38 (2 x 48GB) KIT
Graphics Card
32GB PALIT GEFORCE RTX 5090 GAMEROCK - HDMI, 3 x DP
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB CORSAIR ELITE MP600 NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD (up to 7000 MB/R, 6200 MB/W)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB CORSAIR ELITE MP600 NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD (up to 7000 MB/R, 6200 MB/W)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 1000W RMx SERIES™ ATX 3.1, MODULAR, CYBENETICS GOLD
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead, 1.0mm Core)
Processor Cooling
CORSAIR NAUTILUS 240 RS ARGB HIGH PERFORMANCE CPU COOLER
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
ONBOARD 2.5Gbe LAN PORT
Wireless Network Card
NONE OR ONBOARD Wi-Fi (MOTHERBOARD DEPENDENT)
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 11 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10/11 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
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Warranty
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Delivery
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Build Time
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Price: £3,855.00 including VAT and Delivery
Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am5-pc/FBUemv9SdK/

 

[Clintster]

Not sure why you'd go for a 3-generation old AMD CPU and motherboard? The current equivalent Ryzen 7 CPU is the 9700X (faster & more efficient), and you'd want a B850 motherboard with wifi (as the USB adapters are slow/poor) at a minimum - or possibly an X870E motherboard considering the level of spend.

The PCS case is a very budget case (thin metal, poor airflow), as is the cooler. Upgrading both of those to something worthwhile would add another £200...and for that price you could get a newer platform (see below).

Of course the 5090 is the killer to the cost (£2400 just for the GPU), and whilst you could get the 5080 (£1150) to get the same cores (CUDA/Tensor) as the laptop 5090, you'd lose out significantly on the VRAM...and unfortunately I believe your usage needs the VRAM more than the cores.

I'd not bother with the pen drive, as you'll want to create your own install media on your own USB stick with the latest build direct from Microsoft...not an old version on your account or the pen drive.

Case
CORSAIR 3500X ARGB TEMPERED GLASS MID-TOWER (PCS) - would have said the Corsair Frame 4000D, but it's currently only showing in white (the black one is the older 4000D non-Frame), but you may prefer a non-RGB case like the Fractal Define 7
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 7 9700X Eight Core CPU (3.8GHz-5.5GHz/40MB CACHE/AM5) - the desktop equivalent of your laptop CPU would be the 9950X
Motherboard
GIGABYTE B850 AORUS ELITE WIFI 7 (AM5, DDR5, M.2 PCIe 5.0, Wi-Fi 7)
Memory (RAM)
96GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR5 5200MHz CL38 (2 x 48GB) KIT
Graphics Card
32GB PALIT GEFORCE RTX 5090 GAMEROCK - HDMI, 3 x DP
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB CORSAIR ELITE MP600 NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD (up to 7000 MB/R, 6200 MB/W)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB CORSAIR ELITE MP600 NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD (up to 7000 MB/R, 6200 MB/W)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 1000W RMx SERIES™ ATX 3.1, MODULAR, CYBENETICS GOLD
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead, 1.0mm Core)
Processor Cooling
CORSAIR NAUTILUS 240 RS ARGB HIGH PERFORMANCE CPU COOLER
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
ONBOARD 2.5Gbe LAN PORT
Wireless Network Card
NONE OR ONBOARD Wi-Fi (MOTHERBOARD DEPENDENT)
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 11 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10/11 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Google Chrome™
Warranty
3 Year Platinum Warranty (3 Year Collect & Return, 3 Year Parts, 3 Year labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 6 to 8 working days
Price: £3,855.00 including VAT and Delivery
Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am5-pc/FBUemv9SdK/

Thanks, I have been redesigning myself before I saw yours, I'd like to max on the memory, what do you think of this?
Case
PCS AEGIS WHITE ARGB MID TOWER CASE
Promotional Item
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Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 7 7700 Eight Core CPU (3.8GHz-5.3GHz/40MB CACHE/AM5)
Motherboard
GIGABYTE B850 AORUS ELITE WIFI 7 (AM5, DDR5, M.2 PCIe 5.0, Wi-Fi 7)
Memory (RAM)
192GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR5 5200MHz CL38 (4 x 48GB)
Graphics Card
32GB ZOTAC GEFORCE RTX 5090 AMP EXTREME - HDMI, 3 x DP
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB CRUCIAL T500 GEN 4 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 7300MB/sR, 6800MB/sW)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB CRUCIAL T500 GEN 4 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 7300MB/sR, 6800MB/sW)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 1000W RMx SERIES™ ATX 3.1, MODULAR, CYBENETICS GOLD
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead, 1.0mm Core)
Processor Cooling
PCS FrostFlow 100 V3 Series High Performance CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Extra Case Fans
1 x 120mm Thermaltake TOUGHFAN 12 Case Fan
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
ONBOARD 2.5Gbe LAN PORT
Wireless Network Card
NONE OR ONBOARD Wi-Fi (MOTHERBOARD DEPENDENT)
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 11 Professional 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10/11 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Microsoft® Edge
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 6 to 8 working days
Price: £0.00 including VAT and Delivery
Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am5-pc/hYNsskhvNx/

 

[TonyCarter]

There's nothing wrong with it, the 7700 is about 10% lower performance than the newer 9700X - and whilst they're both very efficient CPUs, I'd rather not rely on a PCS cooler / fans / case if you're doing long, heavy workloads as the cooler/fans/case are all as important in keeping the CPU / GPU cool.

An air cooler redistributes the heat from the CPU back into the case, whereas an AIO cooler (like the Corsair Nautilus 240) pushes the heat into the liquid, then through the radiator, and finally is blown out the top of case.

I'm also not sure what the extra ToughFan is for or where you're putting it, as the PCS case has 3 fans at the front and one at the rear - is the plan to have a single extra fan on the top as exhaust?

 

[Clintster]

What is the current situation with the 5090 GPU? I have been reading about burning power cables and oxidising GPU's

 

[Clintster]

There's nothing wrong with it, the 7700 is about 10% lower performance than the newer 9700X - and whilst they're both very efficient CPUs, I'd rather not rely on a PCS cooler / fans / case if you're doing long, heavy workloads as the cooler/fans/case are all as important in keeping the CPU / GPU cool.

An air cooler redistributes the heat from the CPU back into the case, whereas an AIO cooler (like the Corsair Nautilus 240) pushes the heat into the liquid, then through the radiator, and finally is blown out the top of case.

I'm also not sure what the extra ToughFan is for or where you're putting it, as the PCS case has 3 fans at the front and one at the rear - is the plan to have a single extra fan on the top as exhaust?

I'll be honest, I know nothing about PC builds so I have no plans, I'm just looking at what sounds good to me but I have no idea really.

 

[Clintster]

Ok, I've tweaked your suggestion.
What are you thoughts on this please?
I'm waay over budget anyway so.....
Case
CORSAIR 3000D AIRFLOW MID TOWER GAMING CASE
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 7 9700X Eight Core CPU (3.8GHz-5.5GHz/40MB CACHE/AM5)
Motherboard
GIGABYTE B850 AORUS ELITE WIFI 7 (AM5, DDR5, M.2 PCIe 5.0, Wi-Fi 7)
Memory (RAM)
192GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR5 5200MHz CL38 (4 x 48GB)
Graphics Card
32GB PALIT GEFORCE RTX 5090 GAMEROCK - HDMI, 3 x DP
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB CRUCIAL T500 GEN 4 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 7300MB/sR, 6800MB/sW)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB CRUCIAL T500 GEN 4 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 7300MB/sR, 6800MB/sW)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 1000W RMx SERIES™ ATX 3.1, MODULAR, CYBENETICS GOLD
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead, 1.0mm Core)
Processor Cooling
PCS FrostFlow 100 V3 Series High Performance CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
ONBOARD 2.5Gbe LAN PORT
Wireless Network Card
NONE OR ONBOARD Wi-Fi (MOTHERBOARD DEPENDENT)
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 11 Professional 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10/11 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Google Chrome™
Warranty
3 Year Platinum Warranty (3 Year Collect & Return, 3 Year Parts, 3 Year labour)
Delivery
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Build Time
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Welcome Book
PCSpecialist Welcome Book
Logo Branding
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Packaging
PCS Corsair Carton Upright
Price: £0.00 including VAT and Delivery
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Apparently I have to have windows pro to utilise that much memory and the PCS guy on chat seemed to think the zotak GPU was better than the Palit, if it is I don't know, It's only another few quid though?
Is that CPU cooler good enough or will i regret it?

 

[Martinr36]

What do you want that much memory for

 

[TonyCarter]

What is the current situation with the 5090 GPU? I have been reading about burning power cables and oxidising GPU's

Well, there's always the warranty...and it's much easier to replace a desktop GPU than a laptop GPU

But I don't think anyone had 100% solved the problem, as it's down to the terrible reference design of the power connector & single power controller that Nvidia created and the board manufacturers are supposed to follow.

 

[Clintster]

Will the warranty cover it?

What do you want that much memory for

I'm going to be using the machine for AI video/image production and the training of very high quality loras

 

[Clintster]

Ok, after chatting online with PCS I have decided a workstation will be my better bet. I have the following.
What do you all think? Change anything?
Case
CORSAIR 3000D AIRFLOW MID TOWER GAMING CASE
Promotional Item
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Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 9 7950X 16 Core CPU (4.5GHz-5.7GHz/80MB CACHE/AM5)
Motherboard
GIGABYTE B850 AORUS ELITE WIFI 7 (AM5, DDR5, M.2 PCIe 5.0, Wi-Fi 7)
Memory (RAM)
192GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR5 5200MHz CL38 (4 x 48GB)
Graphics Card
24GB PNY NVIDIA RTX A5000 GDDR6, 8192 CUDA CORES - 4 x DP
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB CRUCIAL T500 GEN 4 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 7300MB/sR, 6800MB/sW)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB CRUCIAL T500 GEN 4 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 7300MB/sR, 6800MB/sW)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 750W CX SERIES™ CX-750 POWER SUPPLY
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
PCS FrostFlow 200 Series High Performance CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 8 CHANNEL (7.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
ONBOARD 2.5Gbe LAN PORT
Wireless Network Card
NONE OR ONBOARD Wi-Fi (MOTHERBOARD DEPENDENT)
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 6 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 11 Professional for Workstation 64 Bit - inc. Licence
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10/11 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Microsoft® Edge
Warranty
3 Year Platinum Warranty (3 Year Collect & Return, 3 Year Parts, 3 Year labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 6 to 8 working days
Welcome Book
PCSpecialist Welcome Book
Logo Branding
PCSpecialist Logo
Packaging
PCS Corsair Carton Upright
Price: £0.00 including VAT and Delivery
Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am5-workstation/jevfKY5Vs4/

 

[BlessedSquirrel]

That's still a desktop, just with a workstation GPU. That GPU is also significantly weaker than the 5090 and 2 generations older

For a workstation, you need to look at a Threadripper build, it's far better for higher RAM quantities for stability and reliability

But we need to take this right back to basics, no point you just randomly throwing parts together, that's not how it works, what's your max budget?

Also be aware Threadripper 9000 is expected to be announced at Computex next week

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[Clintster]

That's still a desktop, just with a workstation GPU. That GPU is also significantly weaker than the 5090 and 2 generations older

For a workstation, you need to look at a Threadripper build, it's far better for higher RAM quantities for stability and reliability

But we need to take this right back to basics, no point you just randomly throwing parts together, that's not how it works, what's your max budget?

Also be aware Threadripper 9000 is expected to be announced at Computex next week

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I think the threadripper will take me way over budget. My budget was 3k, this rose to 3.5k with the laptop and now I'm pushing 4k, this all for a project that might not take off, I am not a game player and I don't want to play the waiting game for the next great CPU/GPU that might or might not appear. That GPU gives me 24gb vram and anything over that rapidly increases in price.
This why I've ended up where I am.

 

[Clintster]

I thought I could save a bit of money now by adding only 2 sticks or 48gb ram and adding more later if I needed it but, apparently, unless you buy it all from the same batch it can be unstable.

 

[BlessedSquirrel]

I think the threadripper will take me way over budget. My budget was 3k, this rose to 3.5k with the laptop and now I'm pushing 4k, this all for a project that might not take off, I am not a game player and I don't want to play the waiting game for the next great CPU/GPU that might or might not appear. That GPU gives me 24gb vram and anything over that rapidly increases in price.
This why I've ended up where I am.

So your budget isn't suitable for a workstation.

That workstation GPU is more expensive than a 5090 while having SIGNIFICANTLY less performance and VRAM, both of which are kind of paramount for your uses, so makes zero sense.

Do you understand how RAM works? I'm getting the impression you may be quite new to all this and just throwing things at it not actually understanding your requirements? I can't see over 64Gb being required myself, the GPU (so long as it's a suitable one) is going to take most of the load on that front and LORA's are well optimised on system RAM if there's a capable GPU

You can add as much RAM as you want to a system, it's going to make zero difference unless the application in use actually requires that amount. Simply adding more RAM doesn't necessarily do anything for performance.

 

[BlessedSquirrel]

Just to put it into context, because I'm not certain you're understanding how architectural improvements work in computing:

The RTX A5000 is the same GPU die as an RTX 3090ti but with certain cores cut down.

For AI workloads, this is what's important:

256 Tensor cores 3nd Gen
64 RT Cores 2nd Gen
24Gb GDDR6 384bit at 768GB/s

VS RTX 5090
680 Tensor Cores 5th Gen
170 RT Cores 4th Gen
32Gb GDDR6 512bit at 1.79TB/s

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 & 5080 AI Review

How do NVIDIA's new GeForce RTX 5090 and 5080, released with fanfare regarding their new features and capabilities, perform in real world AI applications?

www.pugetsystems.com

Similarly with the CPU, you wouldn't go for Ryzen 7000 because the gains in AI compute moving up to 9000 series is substantial

The AMD Ryzen 9 9950X and Ryzen 9 9900X Review: Flagship Zen 5 Soars - and Stalls

www.anandtech.com

So you can see basically in every metric, it's not a slight performance difference, it's very significant.

When you're buying a professional card, they're exactly the same GPU's as desktop cards (often with cores disabled) but priced significantly more expensive for B2B driver support with NVidia basically. For a current gen professional card to compare with the 5090 you'd be looking at the RTX Pro 6000 cards

IF your budget was significantly higher, then I'd say absolutely, go for a professional card, but 4k is nowhere near enough if you want any kind of decent AI Compute performance.

 

[Clintster]

Just to put it into context, because I'm not certain you're understanding how architectural improvements work in computing:

The RTX A5000 is the same GPU die as an RTX 3090ti but with certain cores cut down.

For AI workloads, this is what's important:

256 Tensor cores 3nd Gen
64 RT Cores 2nd Gen
24Gb GDDR6 384bit at 768GB/s

VS RTX 5090
680 Tensor Cores 5th Gen
170 RT Cores 4th Gen
32Gb GDDR6 512bit at 1.79TB/s

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 & 5080 AI Review

How do NVIDIA's new GeForce RTX 5090 and 5080, released with fanfare regarding their new features and capabilities, perform in real world AI applications?

www.pugetsystems.com

Similarly with the CPU, you wouldn't go for Ryzen 7000 because the gains in AI compute moving up to 9000 series is substantial

The AMD Ryzen 9 9950X and Ryzen 9 9900X Review: Flagship Zen 5 Soars - and Stalls

www.anandtech.com

So you can see basically in every metric, it's not a slight performance difference, it's very significant.

When you're buying a professional card, they're exactly the same GPU's as desktop cards (often with cores disabled) but priced significantly more expensive for B2B driver support with NVidia basically. For a current gen professional card to compare with the 5090 you'd be looking at the RTX Pro 6000 cards

IF your budget was significantly higher, then I'd say absolutely, go for a professional card, but 4k is nowhere near enough if you want any kind of decent AI Compute performance.

Thanks for your insight, would you care to put yourself in my place? what would you put together if you wanted it for my use? I'm worried about the power cord overheating problems reported on the 5090 which is what started me looking for something else. I'd appreciate your help here.

 

[BlessedSquirrel]

Thanks for your insight, would you care to put yourself in my place? what would you put together if you wanted it for my use? I'm worried about the power cord overheating problems reported on the 5090 which is what started me looking for something else. I'd appreciate your help here.

I've already stated my opinions, but they were disregarded.

I don't think you're going about this the right way at all, you don't need a multi-use capable high end desktop or laptop, your uses are incredibly specific and you'd be paying a substantial premium for a system that I don't think you'd get the best value vs performance with. The Sparx is specifically designed exactly for this kind of workflow so will be far better optimised across the board.

I would get a simple laptop without a GPU (of with one if you decide you can squeeze one into the budget for added performance), and a DGX Spark to offload the AI workload to. You may already have a laptop that you're expecting GPU performance for that would be very capable for this.

That way, you can simply upgrade the laptop when you need to, you don't need to compromise on your wants of having a laptop, and when the DGX Spark is running out of power, you simply upgrade that to the newer model. The DGX Spark is just around £3700, but has just over a 5090 in AI compute power and 128Gb on die RAM which will be significantly quicker than any PC. You can also daisy chain them if you wanted.

Makes far more sense to me.

 

[Clintster]

I've already stated my opinions, but they were disregarded.

I don't think you're going about this the right way at all, you don't need a multi-use capable high end desktop or laptop, your uses are incredibly specific and you'd be paying a substantial premium for a system that I don't think you'd get the best value vs performance with. The Sparx is specifically designed exactly for this kind of workflow so will be far better optimised across the board.

I would get a simple laptop without a GPU (of with one if you decide you can squeeze one into the budget for added performance), and a DGX Spark to offload the AI workload to. You may already have a laptop that you're expecting GPU performance for that would be very capable for this.

That way, you can simply upgrade the laptop when you need to, you don't need to compromise on your wants of having a laptop, and when the DGX Spark is running out of power, you simply upgrade that to the newer model. The DGX Spark is just around £3700, but has just over a 5090 in AI compute power and 128Gb on die RAM which will be significantly quicker than any PC. You can also daisy chain them if you wanted.

Makes far more sense to me.

Many thanks for your help, I want a gui so the spark is out of the equation I'm afraid.